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he was right in saying 47% don't pay income taxes. you talk about lifting those people up so they can make it in america. that's what they want. they want to become taxpayers, and that's where he was totally wrong and tonal deaf. that's why i said that night, they're not victims. >> but his response right now is saying he was dplecompletely wr which is different than what he said earlier, saying he stated it ineloquently. >> i think what he was saying is he was completely wrong in speaking pejoratively of the 47%, and he was wrong to do that. he is wrong about the basic economics of our country. but we have gotten to a point where the country is paying no income taxes and taking advantage of the role of government. does that mean too high, too low? that's a good argument to get into. >> i'm utterly confused right now. >> you're only confused because he's trying to explain the comment from mitt romney, and now ari is trying to explain the new comment from mitt romney where he was very clear in saying he was wrong. ari, there is no need
he was right in saying 47% don't pay income taxes. you talk about lifting those people up so they can make it in america. that's what they want. they want to become taxpayers, and that's where he was totally wrong and tonal deaf. that's why i said that night, they're not victims. >> but his response right now is saying he was dplecompletely wr which is different than what he said earlier, saying he stated it ineloquently. >> i think what he was saying is he was completely wrong in...
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he is right in saying that 47% of the country pays no income taxes. that's a fact. but conservetism means you talk hope. you talk about lifting people up so they can make it in america. they want to become taxpayers. that's where he was tonal deaf. >> but his response now is saying he was completely wrong which is different than what he said earlier which is like well, i stated it inelegantly. he's now using this blanket statement which allows people to interpret it as they will. >> i think what he is saying there is he was completely wrong to speak pejoratively of the 47% and he was completely wrong to do that. he is right about the basic economics of our country. >> okay. >> we have gotten to the point where the country is half paying no income taxes and getting the advantages of government. >> roland -- >> does that mean it's the right number, too high, too low, that's a good argument to get into. >> i'm utterly confused right now. i'm utterly confused because ari is trying to explain the original comment from mitt romney which i thought mitt romney was very clea
he is right in saying that 47% of the country pays no income taxes. that's a fact. but conservetism means you talk hope. you talk about lifting people up so they can make it in america. they want to become taxpayers. that's where he was tonal deaf. >> but his response now is saying he was completely wrong which is different than what he said earlier which is like well, i stated it inelegantly. he's now using this blanket statement which allows people to interpret it as they will. >>...
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now, as for those specifics on taxes, i go back to the last time we successfully had major tax reform which was in 1986 with ronald reagan as president. he didn't come out with all the specifics. he worked with the congress behind the scenes, and they achieved meaningful tax reform because they kept those discussions private, they didn't draw public lines in the sand and therefore, they emerged successful. successful pattern to follow, ronald reagan's. on the other hand, you had the debt limit talks in 2011 where president obama in the middle of talks never, until this day, has gotten specific. we don't know if he offered to raise the medicare retirement age. we don't know how much he said he would cut medicare and enact entitlement reform. so he did the opposite. he went into a serious negotiation not as a candidate but as the president and never got specific. it's one of the reasons we never got a big debt limit deal. so i think mitt romney actually is following the reagan pattern. the question is who when it comes to real negotiation with congress will follow through and get it don
now, as for those specifics on taxes, i go back to the last time we successfully had major tax reform which was in 1986 with ronald reagan as president. he didn't come out with all the specifics. he worked with the congress behind the scenes, and they achieved meaningful tax reform because they kept those discussions private, they didn't draw public lines in the sand and therefore, they emerged successful. successful pattern to follow, ronald reagan's. on the other hand, you had the debt limit...
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he locked himself into some bad positions that he took during the republican primary, tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, refusing to ask the wealthiest for a dime to reduce the deficit and those give us big openings to talk about on the campaign trail in key states in the weeks ahead. >> vice president biden, meantime, said his boss did a good job during a bright line between his policies and mitt romney's. >> i think the president did a wonderful job in making it clear just how stark that choice is. >> keeping them honest, that is precisely where the pundits, even those who support president obama, say he dropped the ball and when we asked our viewers whether mr. obama did better or worse than expected, 61%, nearly two in three, said he did worse. as for why the president himself supplied an answer today. twice today out on the stump using nearly identical wording each time. listen. >> when i got out on the stage, i met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be mitt romney. but i know it couldn't have been mitt romney. because the real mitt romney's been running aro
he locked himself into some bad positions that he took during the republican primary, tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, refusing to ask the wealthiest for a dime to reduce the deficit and those give us big openings to talk about on the campaign trail in key states in the weeks ahead. >> vice president biden, meantime, said his boss did a good job during a bright line between his policies and mitt romney's. >> i think the president did a wonderful job in making it...